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Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: February 11th, 2009, 9:51 am
by hot_rod_hooligans
For my High Performance Engines I class, I'm going to work on a 4.6 stroker for my bench racing build (actually building it would be in the HPE II class), and using this as a guide:

Then add what I learn in class to that to make something a little different. I'm playing around with the idea of using the Hesco aluminum head for 2 reasons:

1) I have to go with a 00+ 4.0, and the easiest one to find is in a JY XJ, which of course has the 0331 head, not something I want to take the risk of running in a stroker motor that I'm going though with a fine tooth comb. And trying to find a TJ in a JY is near impossible around hear, let alone a 02+(well I could always try to find a 4.0 WJ I guess).

2) I found out from class the rule of thumb on iron vs. aluminum head is, aluminum head can allow you to run an extra point of compression on the same grade gas, I.E. a engine with an iron head would have to run premium gas with a 9.X:1 compression ratio, where as the same engine with an aluminum head could run 10.X:1 ratio on the same premium gas. And the rule of thumb on compression is 1:1 = 60 hp. So aluminum head = 60hp. This is due to the aluminum being able to "flex" more than an iron head, absorbing the force of combustion better. Not to mention the 30hp gain the head gives on a stock engine, in addition to it being lighter, lowering coolant, and combustion chamber temps, and so on.

Then on top of all this, I'll throw this on top:
http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...wrangler40.htm
I'm guessing somewhere in the ballpark of 450hp and 500ft/lbs, and I think that's thinking pretty conservative.

4.2L 3.895" stroke crank
4.0L 6.125" Eagle rods
+0.030" bore pistons
9.5:1 CR aprox
Hesco aluminum cylinder head
Ford 24lb/hr injectors with stock 49psi FPR

Not sure on piston dish, or the cam yet,

The goal here is tow-end torque, and lots of it. Stroked for better low-end torque; Bored only to refresh the cylenders; Aluminum head for the compression bonus, the cooling and weight are just added bonuses; Twin-screw supercharger for the better low end power delivery over centrifical superchargers(Vortech), or turbos, and cooler intake charge than a Roots type (I don't know of any Roots type blowers for the I6).

Now for my actual build, I'll forgo the supercharger, and posisibly the aluminum head for cost reasons, but probably keep most of the internal specs(bore, stroke, rod length)

Re: Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: February 19th, 2009, 1:58 pm
by hot_rod_hooligans
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Just a few set ups I'm playing around with, internally that is.

I 4.5L, stock bore, 4.2L rods and crank, Sealed Power 677CP standard bore pistons, block decked .020", Mopar/Victor 0.043" head gasket

II 4.5L, stock bore, 4.0L rods, forged pistons with 1.380" pin hight, 4.2L crank, Mopar/Victor 0.043" head gasket

III 4.6L, bored .030" over, Hesco Forged Pistons, 4.2L rods and crank, block decked .020", Mopar/Victor 0.043" head gasket

IV 4.6L, bored .030" over, 4.0L Eagle forged rods, Keith-Black Silvolite UEM-KB944 +0.030" bore forged pistons with 1.353" pin hight, 4.2L crank, Mopar/Victor 0.043" head gasket

V 4.7L, bored .060" over, 4.0L Eagle forged rods, Keith-Black Silvolite UEM-KB944 +0.060" bore forged pistons with 1.353" pin hight, 4.2L crank, Mopar/Victor 0.043" head gasket


Oddly I'm leaning toward the 4.7L as machining will be free, and the pistons cost about the same.

Although I didn't mean to do this, I ended up coming up with a build something like th"4.7L medium-buck stroker"

Jeep 4.2L 3.895" stroke crank
Jeep 4.0L 6.125" rods
Keith-Black Silvolite UEM-KB944 +0.060" bore forged pistons
9.5:1 CR
Crane #753905 204/216 degree camshaft
Ported big valve 2.02"/1.60" cylinder head
Mill block deck 0.020"
Mopar/Victor 0.043" head gasket
0.051" quench height
Flometrics F&B 68mm billet TB
Accel 26lb/hr injectors with adjustable FPR or MAP adjuster for '87-'95 engines, Accel 26lb/hr injectors with stock 49psi FPR for '96 and later engines.
269hp @ 4800rpm, 334lbft @ 3400rpm

I got the pin height wrong for the Keith-Black pistons, it's actually 1.353" instead of 1.380" like I thought, alowing me to mill the block that .020", but I'm still coming up with 9.64:1 CR. So I may play around with a combonation of decking the head with a differant sized head gasket to get the CR up where I want it. I'll fix the chart when ever I get internet at the house again, stoopid AT&T :banghead:!

I'm still pushing for a 9.78:1(ish) CR with a 4.7L. I'm still unsure if I want to go 4.6 or 4.7, I can't seem to find specs on a long rod 4.6 yet, and it all comes down to how much power it makes, and what RPM it makes it at. Once I start playing with the software at school, and can get some "dyno" numbers, I'll have a better idea.


Crank: $305 - Can't remember(I have it bookmarked at home)
Cam: $120 - Jegs
Pistons: $540 - Summit
Rods: $450 - Ebay
Cylinder head (iron, bare): $380 - Quadratec
About the heads Iron Vs. Aluminum, I figured at .20 a gal, filling up 5-6 times a month(from an empty tank), it would take me almost 5.5-6.5 years to make my money back, so I will probably not go aluminum.

Re: Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: January 22nd, 2011, 6:42 am
by tjinnisbanshee
how did this engine build turn out?

Re: Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: January 31st, 2011, 8:43 pm
by hot_rod_hooligans
tjinnisbanshee wrote:how did this engine build turn out?
Finally getting around to it:
http://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/viewt ... =15&t=2307

Re: Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: February 1st, 2011, 7:00 am
by Cheromaniac
hot_rod_hooligans wrote:Finally getting around to it
Is it this one? :lol:

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Re: Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: February 1st, 2011, 7:19 am
by 4.whoa
:mrgreen:

A stroker for your jeep - about $3000.00 .......................... A "Round tuit".....priceless :lol:

Re: Another 4.6 stroker, but with aluminum head and supercharger

Posted: February 1st, 2011, 3:52 pm
by rammit11
that is great, roflmao. :lol: :lol: