Trying to pass California smog check

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Trying to pass California smog check

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I'm currently trying to get through CA smog right now and have fail about 4 times so far. I installed my 4.6 stroker about 2 years ago and haven't had any really bad problems other than the engine running lean which is causing me to fail smog. It's running lean across the whole RPM range and does seem to lack power. My jeeps a 1991 Jeep wranger. I'm getting no "check engine" light. engine runs just below 210. It has ford blue 24lb. injectors running the factory 39psi regulator. Engine has a mild port job, 63mm throttle body, 99+ intake, factory air box with K&N drop-in, Elgin prostock cam, high flow water pump and oil pump, aluminum radiator, adjustable CPS. Just to see what would happen I dropped a higher pressure regulator (40psi idle/48psi WOT) which richened the mixture but only at lower RPM's (1500RPM max) but did nothing to the fuel above that. I checked the fuel pressure with the stock regulator and it read 31psi at idle and 39psi with the vacuum source disconnected. Hears a list of everything i've replaced
MAP sensor
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new "california" catalytic converter
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fuel filter
swapped out the Stick ECM for my auto ECM (didn't really notice anything)
Haven't replaced: CTS, throttle body sensors, fuel pump

I'm up against a wall right now :frustrated: any info you guys could spit my way would mean the world to me. I'm running out of money and patience. :brickwall:
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What's the fuel pressure at higher rpm?
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Does CA plug anything into your truck being its obdI?
Does it run better with the temp sensor unplugged?
Do you have the cps adjusted to advance the timing?
What's a "california" cat?
If with the regulator vac disconected only showed 39# how can a different reg give you more? I thought that pretty much closed the return line :huh:
Can you get to a shop with a check station where you can tinker and see if it helps then and there while you fiddle?
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Try a hose clamp around the return line somewhere under the chassis where the return is rubber hose.

Clamp it down to close the the return and bump up the pressure.

Might not be right but it might help.

Didn't see a replace fuel pump in you list, might try that as it might not be able to hold/maintain the volume
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Cheromaniac wrote:What's the fuel pressure at higher rpm?
WOT fuel pressure is 39PSI
4.whoa wrote:Does CA plug anything into your truck being its obdI?
Does it run better with the temp sensor unplugged?
Do you have the cps adjusted to advance the timing?
What's a "california" cat?
If with the regulator vac disconected only showed 39# how can a different reg give you more? I thought that pretty much closed the return line :huh:
Can you get to a shop with a check station where you can tinker and see if it helps then and there while you fiddle?
They don't plug anything into my jeep for the test...just a fuel system pressure check, idle/15MPH/25MPR sniff test, and visual. What happens if it does run better if they temp sensor is unplugged? I haven't unplugged the temp sensor but I will try it tonight as well as checking the timing, pretty sure the timing is advanced/retarded because it knocked a little when we first started it, so we adjusted it til it was went away. As of Jan 1, 2009 if you replace the catalytic converter it must be a "california" specific converter...which i've installed. I believe you can get more pressure because the pump is capable of producing more pressure. So by putting a less restrictive fuel pressure regulator on you can get more pressure...kind of like an adjustable fuel pressure regulator the HESCO and Leigh Performance sells. I don't have a shop to tinker with my junk...just my house.
Elowe65 wrote:Try a hose clamp around the return line somewhere under the chassis where the return is rubber hose.

Clamp it down to close the the return and bump up the pressure.

Might not be right but it might help.

Didn't see a replace fuel pump in you list, might try that as it might not be able to hold/maintain the volume
I basically did bump up the static fuel pressure about 9PSI and 8 ontop of that at WOT but it only helped richen the lower RPM's. Replacing the fuel pump is in the works if nothing else works but they are expensive and a bitch to change...you could be right about that fuel pump tho. I have ran this thing dry on fuel multiple times a couple years ago when money was tight.

Thanks again guys keep the info coming and i'll keep you guys posted :rockout:
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aaronkeiser wrote: as well as checking the timing, pretty sure the timing is advanced/retarded because it knocked a little when we first started it, so we adjusted it til it was went away.
It only knocks at idle or when first started? First started as in the first time you started the new engine or every time? how did you adjust it out? Is it a ping or knock?
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SilverXJ wrote:
aaronkeiser wrote: as well as checking the timing, pretty sure the timing is advanced/retarded because it knocked a little when we first started it, so we adjusted it til it was went away.
It only knocks at idle or when first started? First started as in the first time you started the new engine or every time? how did you adjust it out? Is it a ping or knock?
Well me and my dad broke the cam, took the jeep out for it's madden voyage and realized it "rattled" going up long grades under load. I can't remember what the difference between knock and ping is. So we took the jeep back and retarded the CPS a little and it went away for the most part. It should be noted I had some double platnum plugs in it at first which could have only made my lean condition even worse. It wasn't til I switched to RC9's that the under load knock stopped. I haven't touched the CPS since the first day the new motor was run.

Tomorrows sunday so I'll probably try driving it with the Temp sensor unplugged and check the timing to make sure it's back within spec. I read of here that it's somewhere around 14 degrees at operating temp, is this true?
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Re: Trying to pass California smog check

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If you unplug the temp sensor it will stay in open loop and run off of sensor input not pre-programed maps.
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Ahh... it wasn't really at idle. But that knock scenario makes sense. Heck my stock 4.0L with just a K&N did that.
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SilverXJ wrote:Ahh... it wasn't really at idle. But that knock scenario makes sense. Heck my stock 4.0L with just a K&N did that.
Maybe so but it shouldn't be "normal" just because it's a jeep.

I took the jeep for a spin with the Temp sensor unplugged but It didn't seem to run any better. When I first started it with the CTS unplugged it almost sounded like a misfire when I took off. Even tho it runs lean it still runs better with it hooked up.

How would I be able to increase the fuel when it's in closed loop...maybe bigger injectors. I was under the impression if you bump up the fuel pressure it's like adding bigger injectors. Is this true?

I'll check the timing tonight just to be sure im not out of whack before I go any further
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Ok so tonight I checked the timing and it was at about 6 degrees warm at idle...I adjusted it big time up to about 12 degrees. I cant really tell if it's anything past 10 since the belt, pulleys, and balancer are right there. Now that i've advanced it, it pings slightly under load up steep grades...like at about 60% throttle. It was cold out(41.8 degrees) and I was running 91 octane. So it must still be running lean if it's pinging right? Would it now be time to bump up the fuel pressure?
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FINALLY PASSED!...Thanks god!...must have been my adjustable CPS. Runs nice and clean now!
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aaronkeiser wrote:FINALLY PASSED!...Thanks god!...must have been my adjustable CPS. Runs nice and clean now!
I know this is an old thread, but I'm having issues passing smog too. I have the Hesco CPS, how do you adjust those again?
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Why not give HESCO a call and get the word directly from the horse's mouth?? Rather than trust somebody's memory here??
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