I believe the stock O2 sensor is a narrow band sensor. I am getting ready to do some custom programing with a new cam from Hesco and a Unichip. But in order to do this, I need to find a Wideband O2 sensor. Does anyone know where I can find a sensor that is compatible with the stock wiring harness? I guess I should check NAPA, but just looking for some input with what brands of wideband sensors people have dealt with.
Any input is appreciated.
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Wide Band O2 Sensor??
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Re: Wide Band O2 Sensor??
You probably will not find a O2 sensor that just plugs into the stock harness and works. Wideband O2 sensors require a dedicated controller which our PCMs do not have, but Innovate Motorsports has their LC-1 which can be installed in place of a standard O2 sensor and has the ability to wire into the stock harness to feed the PCM similated narrowband data from the wideband sensor in addition it can be used for standard things such as a guage or datalogger. I purchased this as well as their OT-2 datalogger / OBDII reader to assist with monitoring and tuning my engine when it is put back together. I have not used the LC-1 yet, but did take some baseline data from the OT-2 and it seems to be a nice product.
Innovate Motorsports LC-1
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php
Manual:
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/supp ... Manual.pdf
Innovate Motorsports OT-2
http://www.ot-2.com/
From the LC-1 Manual:
8 Advanced Topics
8.1 Connecting the LC-1 to simulate a narrow band oxygen sensor.
It is possible to install the wide-band sensor in place of the OEM oxygen sensor. In this case the meter's analog output signal will replace the OEM oxygen sensor's signal to the fuel injection computer. EFI equipped cars typically incorporate a narrow band oxygen sensor. These sensors are typically 1, 2, 3 or 4 wire sensors.
The analog output connector of the LC-1 can simulate the operation of a narrow band sensor while the wide-band oxygen sensor is installed in place of the OEM narrow-band sensor. Factory equipped Analog output 1 of the LC-1 is programmed to simulate a narrow band sensor. Some vehicles are equipped with oxygen sensors that do not produce an output voltage but change their resistance depending on exhaust gas content. These sensors cannot be simulated. They are used in less than 1% of all vehicles. Refer to your vehicles specifications if you think that your vehicle may be in this category. The same is true for vehicles already factory equipped with a wide-band oxygen sensor. These cannot be simulated either.
Some EFI-computers will create a fault when the heater power wires of the oxygen sensor are disconnected. In this case mount the old oxygen sensor in a safe place (but not necessarily in the exhaust) and connect the heater wires to it to keep the EFI-computer happy.
Be careful where you mount the stock sensor, as heated sensors will get hot.
To connect the LC-1 to the EFI-computer, first determine what kind of narrow band sensor is used, then follow the instructions below (you will need a digital multimeter to determine correct OEM sensor wires):
a. Vehicle has a 1-wire sensor:
Wire analog output 1 directly to the wire.
b. Vehicle has a 2-wire sensor:
While the engine is off determine which of the 2 wires has a low resistance between the wire and the sensor body. This is the heater power for the sensor. Wire analog output 1 directly to the other wire. Leave the heater power wire unconnected but make sure it cannot ground itself or see above.
c. Vehicle has a 3-wire sensor:
Typically the 3 wires are: heater power, Ground, and sensor element connection. Generally they have 1 black wire and 2 white wires. Connect the black wire from the EFI computer to analog output 1 of the meter. Leave the other wires unconnected but make sure they cannot contact any metal parts or see above. If the wiring colors are different, then heater power can simply be determined by measuring the voltage on the wires when the engine is running. The wire showing 12V or more is the heater power. The sensor element connection voltage fluctuates around 0.45V when the car is warmed up. Wire analog output 1 directly to this wire. The Ground connection has low resistance to chassis ground (less than 1 Ohm). Measure while the engine is off.
d. Vehicle has a 4-wire sensor
Typically the 4 wires are: heater power, heater ground, sensor ground, and sensor element connection. Proceed as for the 3-wire sensor.
Innovate Motorsports LC-1
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php
Manual:
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/supp ... Manual.pdf
Innovate Motorsports OT-2
http://www.ot-2.com/
From the LC-1 Manual:
8 Advanced Topics
8.1 Connecting the LC-1 to simulate a narrow band oxygen sensor.
It is possible to install the wide-band sensor in place of the OEM oxygen sensor. In this case the meter's analog output signal will replace the OEM oxygen sensor's signal to the fuel injection computer. EFI equipped cars typically incorporate a narrow band oxygen sensor. These sensors are typically 1, 2, 3 or 4 wire sensors.
The analog output connector of the LC-1 can simulate the operation of a narrow band sensor while the wide-band oxygen sensor is installed in place of the OEM narrow-band sensor. Factory equipped Analog output 1 of the LC-1 is programmed to simulate a narrow band sensor. Some vehicles are equipped with oxygen sensors that do not produce an output voltage but change their resistance depending on exhaust gas content. These sensors cannot be simulated. They are used in less than 1% of all vehicles. Refer to your vehicles specifications if you think that your vehicle may be in this category. The same is true for vehicles already factory equipped with a wide-band oxygen sensor. These cannot be simulated either.
Some EFI-computers will create a fault when the heater power wires of the oxygen sensor are disconnected. In this case mount the old oxygen sensor in a safe place (but not necessarily in the exhaust) and connect the heater wires to it to keep the EFI-computer happy.
Be careful where you mount the stock sensor, as heated sensors will get hot.
To connect the LC-1 to the EFI-computer, first determine what kind of narrow band sensor is used, then follow the instructions below (you will need a digital multimeter to determine correct OEM sensor wires):
a. Vehicle has a 1-wire sensor:
Wire analog output 1 directly to the wire.
b. Vehicle has a 2-wire sensor:
While the engine is off determine which of the 2 wires has a low resistance between the wire and the sensor body. This is the heater power for the sensor. Wire analog output 1 directly to the other wire. Leave the heater power wire unconnected but make sure it cannot ground itself or see above.
c. Vehicle has a 3-wire sensor:
Typically the 3 wires are: heater power, Ground, and sensor element connection. Generally they have 1 black wire and 2 white wires. Connect the black wire from the EFI computer to analog output 1 of the meter. Leave the other wires unconnected but make sure they cannot contact any metal parts or see above. If the wiring colors are different, then heater power can simply be determined by measuring the voltage on the wires when the engine is running. The wire showing 12V or more is the heater power. The sensor element connection voltage fluctuates around 0.45V when the car is warmed up. Wire analog output 1 directly to this wire. The Ground connection has low resistance to chassis ground (less than 1 Ohm). Measure while the engine is off.
d. Vehicle has a 4-wire sensor
Typically the 4 wires are: heater power, heater ground, sensor ground, and sensor element connection. Proceed as for the 3-wire sensor.
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Re: Wide Band O2 Sensor??
I wonder how this would work with a programable Unichip? Is it compatible or even necessary. I am still learning about "tunable" EFI systems. But thanks for the lead. It is very helpful.


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