stoked to get stroked

[honkysXJ]

1997 jeep xj ,97 junkyard block hot tanked /magnafluxed,,long snout 4 weight crank .10/.10 grind,Victor reinez full gasket set,main /rod bearings.10 sealed power,pioneer brass freeze plugs,cloyles 3127 double roller(on the way)
Biggest issue in my build "cam" and pistons I'm doing the long rod stroker already polished the rods and they look Purdy! Shooting for 0 deck with minimum machine work!!! I have the diamond piston order form "off their website" (im pretty much lost on that one)! I need to go .30 overbore,(minimum),might turbo later!!!
Next issue the camshaft,,????,any suggestions for this setup? I've been leaning toward the mopar,so I can keep my stock springs on my 0630 head that I just bought last year,when I overheated the jeep like a dummy lost all my fluid and drove home anyways,cracked what I thought was a gaskett first turned out to be the head,fixed that,then I found out I cracked the block also!!!!$$$ right behind the water pump not horrbly (but its there) I drive this beast everyday and this is my chance to squeeze some ponies out of her!!! I've been reading and reading,and spending $ and reading... Do any of you knowledgeable guys have any advice or tips on helping a rookie like me on piston and cam selection for a stroker that may see a turbo in the future???

[Cheromaniac]

If you're dead set on adding a turbo in the future I suggest you keep the stock cam, get a set of IC944 pistons, and build a modified "poor man's" stroker.

[FlyinRyan]

Come see me for tuning....

[Cheromaniac]

Come see me for tuning....

Definitely.

[honkysXJ]

I'm not dead set on the turbo,but my buddy is giving me a Garrett which I haven't began looking on how I'm going to bolt that in ,but I'm sure its possible. I was under the impression that the ic944 21-22 dish would put my CR to high to turbo later. Now my doner cam looks like $#!/ thats why I'm thinking if I have to replace it why not upgrade? I appreciate the responses I'm just ready to get this thing done!
FlyinRyan I've read your the man to talk to for tuning so I will pm you when the time comes! (Soon hopefully)

[honkysXJ]

Also looking to stroke now turbo later,just want to keep my cr safe enough to do that . I'm no expert but from what I've read I should stick to mid- high 8's if I go the 944 route and deck the block .20 or whatever that puts me in the 9@^ range! I'll probably have the machine shop help order the pistons and hopefully get a little help with the cr... I think ill go with diamond custom slugs!
Also do they call it the poor man's ,because that's what you are when you finally get done?
Just trying to do it right the first time,and I know the wife can't wait she's got to be sick of hearing about it! If I ain't working on the jeep I'm reading about how to make it better!!!

[Cheromaniac]

Also looking to stroke now turbo later,just want to keep my cr safe enough to do that . I'm no expert but from what I've read I should stick to mid- high 8's if I go the 944 route

If you go for the IC944 slugs and leave the block deck untouched, the CR will be a modest 9.2:1 (assuming 57cc heads) and you could run an intercooled 8psi turbo without any problem. The key is getting the correct sized injectors and a good tune, so FlyinRyan's your man there.

Also do they call it the poor man's, because that's what you are when you finally get done?

I called it a poor man's 'cause of the low parts cost of the build. That said, you shouldn't skimp on good machine shop work and assembly practices otherwise you could indeed end up in the poor house.

[honkysXJ]

Thanks for the replies, also Dino I've learned 90% of my stroker info off of your sites,I see you've gave a lot of people a lot of good advice! I hope I didn't come off as a smart A$$ I know sometimes I do that's just me I guess! Thanks a bunch for the input! I did contact flyin Ryan and will get tuned in when the time comes! A few more parts and I'm ready to put this monster together... Probably would of never known about an inline stroker if it wasn't for Dinos site,and jeep strokers.com

[honkysXJ]

I've put the turbo on the back burner and also going with dinos original suggestion for the modified poor man's stroker,I'm ordering the ic944s on Friday! Next question,(CAMS) I know its been covered in several write ups and as said before when I'm not working on the jeep I'm reading about them.
I know It's only a I6 and I've been looking at the mopar 28 "I believe the one muad dib is running" but there's an xj on YouTube with the comp 239-4 and it sounds SWEET!!! I'm not reading the best reviews about comp even talked to a few jeepers that ran em and they said never agiain_!!!! Is there any known cams that I could get a little lope outta my little I6 or am I better off going with the mopar and keeping stock springs???
It's not just sound I'm looking for,although the lopey idle sounds SWEET ,I want a cam with the wider lobes, by wide I mean stockish not the narrow crap that seems to be wiping everyones lifters out prematurely!
Lunati?? I've heard good about them but no idea about the lobes which the more I read the more I'm concerned

[Desertjr]

I've put the turbo on the back burner and also going with dinos original suggestion for the modified poor man's stroker,I'm ordering the ic944s on Friday! Next question,(CAMS) I know its been covered in several write ups and as said before when I'm not working on the jeep I'm reading about them.
I know It's only a I6 and I've been looking at the mopar 28 "I believe the one muad dib is running" but there's an xj on YouTube with the comp 239-4 and it sounds SWEET!!! I'm not reading the best reviews about comp even talked to a few jeepers that ran em and they said never agiain_!!!! Is there any known cams that I could get a little lope outta my little I6 or am I better off going with the mopar and keeping stock springs???
It's not just sound I'm looking for,although the lopey idle sounds SWEET ,I want a cam with the wider lobes, by wide I mean stockish not the narrow crap that seems to be wiping everyones lifters out prematurely!
Lunati?? I've heard good about them but no idea about the lobes which the more I read the more I'm concerned

I've heard a 505 roller I believe, at idle it sounded mean. The guy made the comment it was dead till 2600 or so. So his "highway cruise wasnt what he wanted at all." Idk the specs on it though.
The comp 239 on the blueish jeep sounds nasty through open headers...so does my stock cam. Which would be 87-95. Through the exhaust it wouldn't be as noticeable, the more lope at idle, usually the less vacuum. So sudden stops and such could stall the motor. Raising the idle may help..a less aggressive cam with a lower idle would also lope some. I'm running the stock 96 single pattern cam set at 4* advanced..it should be tame as all hell sounding. Ill also be running an electric cutout right at the collector so I can hear my motor when I way, otherwise keep it quite

[SilverXJ]

,I want a cam with the wider lobes, by wide I mean stockish not the narrow crap that seems to be wiping everyones lifters out prematurely!

You have 4 options if you want the wider lobes. 1) A stock cam, 2) A Mopar Performance cam, 4) Get a stock cam reground, 4) Find a cam grinder than will work with you and find the correct blank. All of the off the shelf cams are of the narrow lobe varied besides the MP. The blanks are out there for the wider lobes as they have aftermarket stock replacement cams. Its just a matter of finding a cam grinder that is interested in obtaining the correct one. I wanted a cam with wider lobes and the snout set up for a retaining plate (your block shouldn't have the bosses needed though for the plate). I tried Comp, Isky and Crane and they said they can't do it. I called JCR cams and he was able to find the correct blank that I needed and ground me a custom cam. I didn't try Lunati though, and there are many other smaller cam grinders you can try. Another good one would be UDHarold.. you would have to google for his contact info though.

[honkysXJ]

I'm leaning toward the mopar 229 (I'm having trouble finding the 228 ) but either way ill save on springs and crap , I get my stockish lobes,maybe not the lopey idle but hopefully she sounds a little beefier! The numbers I'm getting with the mp229 are S.C.R 9.61 & D.C.R 8.36, @.30 over with a .005 deck clearance @ a 48 quench with my Victor gasket and the 21 dish ic944 slugs ,it will see a turbo may be a while but are my numbers okay?

[honkysXJ]

The turbo is a 53mm Garrett (if that matters)

[honkysXJ]

About to pull the trigger and order my IC944 pistons ,ive read the horror stories about titans crate motors but they have the Keith blacks for 325.00 with 15$ shipping compared to rpmmachine for 400$ ,should I be scared of titan? I am! Id like to do this once and do it right.
Not to bash "Titan" but I'm just going from what I've read over & over..... They seem to have the pistons for the best price, anyone have any reasons to say(NO) don't get em there? Spend the extra $ and go elsewhere???
These dang pistons are my last piece of the puzzle other than the cam but that's already figured out ,this has been a slow process and I'm ready to get er done!!!!
Tips, Advice??

I wanna go fast

[SilverXJ]

It would be pretty hard to screw up shipping a piston.