Timing cover issues

Newbies, and basic Stroker Recipes... Get started with your first stroker here!!
Post Reply
woodjeep
I made it to triple digits!
I made it to triple digits!
Posts: 153
Joined: July 15th, 2009, 5:50 pm
Stroker Displacement: 4.6
Vehicle Year: 1992
Vehicle Make: Jeep
Vehicle Model: Cherokee

Timing cover issues

Post by woodjeep »

Thanks to your prev help, I have found out where all the different bolts go in the timing cover...Now I did a dry run today and it appears I need some sort of alignment tool.. If I just mount up the bolts, there is enough wiggle room to the point that the balancer shaft might will not be centered in the oil seal. Jeep makes a tool but in the manual the tool is used to put on the cover BEFORE the oil seal is pressed in..my oil seal is already installed..Will this tool still work?. I was going to use the balancer as my alignment tool but it appears to be a mallet tap fit and will not be able to remove it to torque the bolts without a puller..is this normal..any suggestions would be appreciated..thanks
User avatar
4.whoa
Movin on up ^
Movin on up ^
Posts: 329
Joined: March 2nd, 2010, 5:50 am
Vehicle Make: jeep
Vehicle Model: xj&mj
Location: Grandville,Mi

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by 4.whoa »

I've always just made sure the bottom of the cover is totally even /level with the bottom of the block and I haven't had any problems.
-Russ

4wd is fun, but 2wd is a BLAST
User avatar
SilverXJ
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 5790
Joined: February 14th, 2008, 7:14 am
Stroker Displacement: 4.6L
Vehicle Year: 2000
Vehicle Make: Jeep
Vehicle Model: Cherokee
Location: Radford, Va

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by SilverXJ »

The FSM says you need an alignment tool. I don't know how necessary it is, but I always do it. I sue to have a harmonic balancer that was opened up a bit so it would just slide on to the crank... but I can't find it. So I partially install the harmonic balancer, install and torque down most of the cover bolts, remove the balancer, finish the remaining bolts then fully install the balancer.
woodjeep
I made it to triple digits!
I made it to triple digits!
Posts: 153
Joined: July 15th, 2009, 5:50 pm
Stroker Displacement: 4.6
Vehicle Year: 1992
Vehicle Make: Jeep
Vehicle Model: Cherokee

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by woodjeep »

I thought the proceedure of ensuring the cover even with the block was a good idea so I made some bolt-on stops and did a trial run. It mostly works except I still have about 1/16 inch lateral (side to side)play even with all the bolts in but not tight. It might not matter but I will try to lightly sand the inside of my old balancer so it is a less press fit and use that with the block stops. I will then cut down the balancer shaft to make my spacer for the new balancer
woodjeep
I made it to triple digits!
I made it to triple digits!
Posts: 153
Joined: July 15th, 2009, 5:50 pm
Stroker Displacement: 4.6
Vehicle Year: 1992
Vehicle Make: Jeep
Vehicle Model: Cherokee

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by woodjeep »

Well I did the timing cover today.....No troubles. I combined the 2 methods suggested above. I used 2 short flat metal bars bolted to the bottom of the block as positive stops to keep the cover from moving past even with the bottom of the block and i installed the old harmonic balancer on the shaft to make sure it was centered on the seal. There was only 1 bolt I couldn't tighten with the balancer on so I tightened all the rest..removed the balancer with my puller and then got the last bolt. I couldn't figure out why the cover would not sit flush without some pressure ..where in my trial runs it always went on even...I thought it was my chain tensioner which had not been prev installed but that was not it. I forgot about the cam spring pin which had not been installed during my trial runs...that was pushing the cover..so it all went well. Tomorrow I will install the oil pump(HV)...Lube the cam lobes, seems easier to do from the bottom, then instal the pan. Whats the consensus...sealant on the pan gasket or not. I have the nice thick blue rubber FelPro style...Its slowly coming together....
User avatar
4.whoa
Movin on up ^
Movin on up ^
Posts: 329
Joined: March 2nd, 2010, 5:50 am
Vehicle Make: jeep
Vehicle Model: xj&mj
Location: Grandville,Mi

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by 4.whoa »

Just use a little rtv on the block side @ the timing cover seams and where the bends up(or down) from the block around the mains are and the groove in the rear cap where the gasket sets. Usually that's all you need. . . But results may varry ;)
-Russ

4wd is fun, but 2wd is a BLAST
User avatar
amcinstaller
I love JeepStrokers.com!!
I love JeepStrokers.com!!
Posts: 632
Joined: May 22nd, 2008, 11:57 pm
Stroker Displacement: 4.6L
Vehicle Year: 1980
Vehicle Make: AMC
Vehicle Model: Spirit
Location: Red Deer, AB, Can

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by amcinstaller »

when i did my rms in my 92 kee, i used the same gasket (WAAAAYYYYYY better than cork, i wont go back) i didnt use any sealant. but also worth noting, i had to do it again after i pinched it in the back around the rear main. but since youre not installing this gasket laying on your back under your jeep, im not sure you need it. mine was clean as a whistle after the gasket and rms, even though i didnt use sealant.
Last edited by amcinstaller on August 18th, 2010, 8:26 am, edited 1 time in total.
1980 AMC Spirit Restomod
4.6 stroker/ax15/Ford 8.8
SilverXJ wrote:Roller rockers won't help that mess you have created. Nor will God for that matter.
lafrad
Movin on up ^
Movin on up ^
Posts: 357
Joined: February 25th, 2009, 10:40 am

Re: Timing cover issues

Post by lafrad »

The factory usually puts some RTV at all "seams" in the metal when using rubber gaskets. so, just a little dab on the block side whereever it goes from one piece of metal, to another.

Thats what I did... and I have dusty, dry oil pan. no engine oil leaks here!
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot] and 6 guests