Oil pan Gasket leak question
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Oil pan Gasket leak question
A bit of history first.
I have replaced the oil pan gasket about 3 months ago.
When i replaced the pan gasket, i had a stipped hole for one of the two front most bolts that hold the pan on that go into the timing chain cover. Needless to say i had an oil leak here. At that time, i thought it would be a good idea to tap that hole slightly bigger. It worked, and held up well. If your farmiliar with the one peice gasket for the oil pan, it has metal rings that go in each of the rubber bolt holes. When i did the taping, it screwed that ring up.
Later, i decided to replace the timing cover so i could have it all bolted the right way, and since my timing chain had never been replaced i figured it was a good time as any.
I did the work, and changed the cover etc.. Now since that ring wasnt there anymore, when i tightened the bolts for the oil pan, it caused the rubber gasket to stretch. Its been fine for awhile now, but now im gettin a leak in this area.
Here are some pictures: (sorry for the crappy ones i took them real quick at work with my camera phone)
My question is this...
If i drop the pan slightly in the front, enough to push the gasket back in correctly, and use some black RTV, will it start leaking again because that metal ring is gone? Should i instead just plan on pulling the pan again, and replacing the gasket all over again?
Thanks for your time.
I have replaced the oil pan gasket about 3 months ago.
When i replaced the pan gasket, i had a stipped hole for one of the two front most bolts that hold the pan on that go into the timing chain cover. Needless to say i had an oil leak here. At that time, i thought it would be a good idea to tap that hole slightly bigger. It worked, and held up well. If your farmiliar with the one peice gasket for the oil pan, it has metal rings that go in each of the rubber bolt holes. When i did the taping, it screwed that ring up.
Later, i decided to replace the timing cover so i could have it all bolted the right way, and since my timing chain had never been replaced i figured it was a good time as any.
I did the work, and changed the cover etc.. Now since that ring wasnt there anymore, when i tightened the bolts for the oil pan, it caused the rubber gasket to stretch. Its been fine for awhile now, but now im gettin a leak in this area.
Here are some pictures: (sorry for the crappy ones i took them real quick at work with my camera phone)
My question is this...
If i drop the pan slightly in the front, enough to push the gasket back in correctly, and use some black RTV, will it start leaking again because that metal ring is gone? Should i instead just plan on pulling the pan again, and replacing the gasket all over again?
Thanks for your time.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
what oil pan gasket is this? i am unfamiliar with the one piece gasket with the metal rings. my last 2 one piece gaskets didnt have the metal rings you speak of. im not sure what the second to last gasket manufacturer was but the last one was victor reinz. the 2nd to last one was pushing out from between the timing cover and pan like in your picture with minimal leak before i replaced it due to another problem.
maybe the gasket material became lubricated with oil when you replaced your timing cover and that caused the front of the gasket to slide out from in between without the metal ring to help it stay in there.
i would replace the gasket after throughly cleaning the gasket surfaces to ensure the gasket sits properly.
maybe the gasket material became lubricated with oil when you replaced your timing cover and that caused the front of the gasket to slide out from in between without the metal ring to help it stay in there.
i would replace the gasket after throughly cleaning the gasket surfaces to ensure the gasket sits properly.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
I was afraid of that .. i hate pulling the damn pan.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
oh Good, Im not the only one to mess up one of the holes in the timin chain cover...Mines still leaking slightly up there, waitin till the summer to fix it...stinks to have a rebuilt engine thats dropping oil..Well was my first build, suppose thats not a bad problem to have compared to what I could of done wrong when building...You can try the RTV I suppose, but clean the area really good first..If it starts to leak Id replace the gasket (RTV might be a pain to remove though?). Clean gasket contact surfaces to get rid of any oil or whatnot..
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
I agree, the key to success is a clean, Dry surface that the pan is bolted back up to and RTV will have a much better chanceClay wrote:oh Good, Im not the only one to mess up one of the holes in the timin chain cover...Mines still leaking slightly up there, waitin till the summer to fix it...stinks to have a rebuilt engine thats dropping oil..Well was my first build, suppose thats not a bad problem to have compared to what I could of done wrong when building...You can try the RTV I suppose, but clean the area really good first..If it starts to leak Id replace the gasket (RTV might be a pain to remove though?). Clean gasket contact surfaces to get rid of any oil or whatnot..
Take the extra time in the cleaning prosses and you should be fine!...........don't over torque, just snug the bolt!
There is basically no pressure there so they don't need to be that tight.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
I guess ill have to re-do it.. oh well needs to be done anyway. Just as i said i hate pulling the pan. Maybe this time ill replace the oil pump also
BTW this is the gasket i used (felpro):
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDeta ... 03&PTSet=A
BTW this is the gasket i used (felpro):
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDeta ... 03&PTSet=A
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
I read on NAXJA that you'll be using the oil pump rebuild kit. Post an opinion of it, as I was considering using that kit also. I really need to inspect my pump before I decide, but since I had no signs of oil pressure problems, I thought it may be an inexpensive why to get a "sort of new" pump. Then again, as I type this I find myself wondering if this is a good place to save money.
Ahh what the heck it's only the oil, right.
Anyway if you use it, let us know if it seems like good quality.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
I dont think im going too, only because i dont have another vehicle to go to the parts store to get either it or a new pump after pulling it. I dont want to get the kit if i have wear in the housing.oletshot wrote:I read on NAXJA that you'll be using the oil pump rebuild kit. Post an opinion of it, as I was considering using that kit also. I really need to inspect my pump before I decide, but since I had no signs of oil pressure problems, I thought it may be an inexpensive why to get a "sort of new" pump. Then again, as I type this I find myself wondering if this is a good place to save money.
Ahh what the heck it's only the oil, right.
Anyway if you use it, let us know if it seems like good quality.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
Well, good luck with the gasket.
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
Thanks, i did end up just getting a new pump..oletshot wrote:Well, good luck with the gasket.
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Quick question also. When i put the cover back on, it squished some of the good ole petroleum out a bit. Is this going to cause some integrity issues with the gasket?
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
According to a few NAXJA members, they said it would be fine. If anything it would help seal that gasket a bit more. Also, its not like that cover gets torqued really tight... its something like 70in pounds.Muad'Dib wrote:Quick question also. When i put the cover back on, it squished some of the good ole petroleum out a bit. Is this going to cause some integrity issues with the gasket?
Anyway, i got it all done this weekend.. I wonder why i was leaking??
I saw this also... i think it may have ripped when i removed the pan because i didnt have a leak at the rear.. but hey you never know!:
All done and so far no leaks... i hope i dont ever have to do this job again for a very very long time!
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
hows your rear main seal?Muad'Dib wrote: i hope i dont ever have to do this job again for a very very long time!
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Beautiful. Was replaced not too long ago. I've never had a leak in the rear since i bought it.tigerShark wrote:hows your rear main seal?Muad'Dib wrote: i hope i dont ever have to do this job again for a very very long time!
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Re: Oil pan Gasket leak question
Nope. Done it dozens of times, never had any trouble. I don't know if it helped any, but it certainly didn't hurt anything.Muad'Dib wrote:Quick question also. When i put the cover back on, it squished some of the good ole petroleum out a bit. Is this going to cause some integrity issues with the gasket?
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