Rods and Pistons and Longevity
Posted: April 8th, 2015, 9:37 am
What causes more wear to an engine: the increased side-loading of short rods, or the increased cold temperature clearance of forged pistons?
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Frankenstien wrote:Got a set of 6 you are free to get as paperweights if you like. Long rods .050 pistons side worn the fuup out and rods included no extra charge for the spun bearings either. Its about machining and maintenance.
I don't think there's a clear answer to that question. Suffice to say that improper machining, assembly, break-in, and maintenance are the biggest determinants of premature engine wear.Gristleheart wrote:What causes more wear to an engine: the increased side-loading of short rods, or the increased cold temperature clearance of forged pistons?
I built my stroker almost 11 years ago and I'm nearing 80k miles on it. These days I'm barely doing 4k miles/year in the Jeep so it'll take me another 5 years to reach 100k miles at that rate.Gristleheart wrote:These vehicles are all old now, so getting an additional 100-150k out of the engine is probably enough for most folks.
Yes. The ability to build in a lower quench height for better detonation resistance.Gristleheart wrote:Is there some other benefit to forged pistons that I'm missing?
Can you get the same results by using a thinner head gasket and decking the block? With cast pistons allowing for deeper dishing to lower compression, that will help prevent detonation, too, right?Cheromaniac wrote:Yes. The ability to build in a lower quench height for better detonation resistance.
Yes you can but you'll need to plan for using shorter pushrods to correct for the increase in lifter preload so check the required length before you order.Gristleheart wrote:Can you get the same results by using a thinner head gasket and decking the block? With cast pistons allowing for deeper dishing to lower compression, that will help prevent detonation, too, right?
Sorry for bringing this up again but...it sounds like an oiling problem to me. Pistons and cylinders are lubricated from oil slinging off the crank. Lack of oil to the bearings means lack of oil to the cylinder walls.Frankenstien wrote: ↑April 8th, 2015, 7:56 pm Got a set of 6 you are free to get as paperweights if you like. Long rods .050 pistons side worn the fuup out and rods included no extra charge for the spun bearings either. Its about machining and maintenance.
Not enough Oil getting splashed on the cylinder wall isn’t the problem. Too much fuel is. Gasoline isn’t a good lubricant.Brianj5600 wrote: ↑January 27th, 2020, 8:24 pmSorry for bringing this up again but...it sounds like an oiling problem to me. Pistons and cylinders are lubricated from oil slinging off the crank. Lack of oil to the bearings means lack of oil to the cylinder walls.Frankenstien wrote: ↑April 8th, 2015, 7:56 pm Got a set of 6 you are free to get as paperweights if you like. Long rods .050 pistons side worn the fuup out and rods included no extra charge for the spun bearings either. Its about machining and maintenance.
Gas also diluted the oil and took out the rod bearings?Russ Pottenger wrote: ↑January 28th, 2020, 12:08 pmNot enough Oil getting splashed on the cylinder wall isn’t the problem. Too much fuel is. Gasoline isn’t a good lubricant.