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Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 28th, 2012, 7:42 pm
by Coffee Commando
What is a safe Compression Ratio for a stroker to run 5 PSI of boost?
I currently have the following:
4.5L Low-buck simple stroker
~ Jeep 4.2L 3.895" stroke crank
~ Jeep 4.2L 5.875" rods
~ Jeep 4.0L 3.875" standard bore pistons
9.7:1 CR
~ CompCams #68-231-4 206/214 degree camshaft
~ Stock 0.051" head gasket
~ Ford 24lb/hr injectors with stock 49psi FPR for '96 and later engines
~ 260hp @ 4850rpm, 321lbft @ 3500rpm ?
4.6L Low-buck stroker
Option 1: Same as above except:
~ Speed Pro H825CP +0.060" bore pistons
~ 9.5:1 CR
~ Unknown quench height
~ 260hp @ 4800rpm, 324lbft @ 3500rpm ?
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 28th, 2012, 9:01 pm
by 604rail_king
on the recipe page there's a good list for mild boost.
NEW: Modified "poor man's" stroker
Jeep 4.0L 6.125" rods, Keith Black UEM-IC944-020 forged pistons, and 0.070" quench height. This is a great stroker build for a mild supercharger/turbo application with up to 6psi of boost. The 4.0L connecting rod/IC944 piston combination offers 155g less reciprocating mass than the 4.2L rod/677P piston combination (1275g v 1430g), thereby giving this engine a potentially higher rpm capability than the traditional "poor man's" stroker.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 29th, 2012, 4:47 am
by CobraMarty
5 pounds is not much but 9.5 is pretty close to the upper limit. I would not go any higher.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 29th, 2012, 10:24 am
by Cheromaniac
Coffee Commando wrote:What is a safe Compression Ratio for a stroker to run 5 PSI of boost?
A 9.5:1 CR should keep you well within the margin of safety but PLEASE DON'T RUN IT ON LOW OCTANE GAS.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 29th, 2012, 11:30 am
by montelibre
My CR is about 8.8/1 with bulltear custom pistons and maximum boost about 5.5 psi. I'm running with I.O. 95 RON, without any knocking and without any electronic adjustament (so far).
Previously I broke my Titan engine with CR 9.6/1 (CR was about 10/1, measured by myself).
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 30th, 2012, 7:40 pm
by Coffee Commando
You had a failed Titan Engine too? I live in Ocala.
I had a cam failure with them twice, then I rebuilt it myself last year.
After I rebuilt it I wondered what I actually paid them for the first time because I provided ALL of the parts to them and then spent 2300 on the engine.
Then they rebuilt it for me after it failed for 730, no parts provided by me. Crooks, the whole lot of them. Especially stone-face.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 31st, 2012, 7:46 am
by montelibre
My engine broke because I was running with the Supercharger M90 (I melt a piston), and the C.R. was too high and I didn't any electronic adjustment for the air-fuel ratio or spark advance.
Now I have two wideband air-fuel ratio sensors (cylinders 1-2-3, 4-5-6) and a knock alert.
I have seen two Titan engines with serious problems.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 31st, 2012, 8:59 am
by Coffee Commando
montelibre wrote:
I have seen two Titan engines with serious problems.
Yes, me too. Unfortunately they were my own. I've heard of others having them fail as well from various forums for Cherokees.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: May 31st, 2012, 2:11 pm
by CobraMarty
montelibre wrote:My engine broke because ...the C.R. was too high... and I didn't any electronic adjustment for the air-fuel ratio or spark advance.
WOW, that was brave. I just finished the install on a Sprintex and will use the AEM FIC and controll the timing and the '7th 50lb injector'.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: June 1st, 2012, 12:11 am
by montelibre
Several months ago I have bought a Split Second FCT-019B, but I do not installed it yet. I need tuning the electronic because the A/R is lean a few seconds sometimes at low load and low rpm.
When I install it I will be able to run with a smaller pully (I think about 7 psi) and safer.
Re: Stroker + SuperCharger = Safe CR?
Posted: June 1st, 2012, 10:47 am
by Coffee Commando
I've got this figured out:
6PSI of Boost
180-190 engine temperature
8.7311 SCR
7.38 DCR (CompCams 68-231-4)
91 Octane
Would the stock cam for a 4.0 (non-Renix) raise my DCR?