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				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 10th, 2015, 1:05 pm
				by cruiser54
				Click on this link and read Tips 12 and 13 if you're gonna mess with the dizzy.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz4d205 ... edit?pli=1 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 11th, 2015, 4:59 am
				by beater_renix
				
Thanks Cruiser, I'll give that a go.
About the Ignition trigger:  Would I be able to see that with a digital meter?  It just looks like 5 Volts, 0 when set to AC.
 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 11th, 2015, 5:01 am
				by cruiser54
				The proper digital meter will have an aC scale and it will show.
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:04 am
				by beater_renix
				I managed a couple of hours in the garage last night.  
 
The Distributor button wasn't as clean and shiny as I thought it should be so I took emery cloth to that.
I verified the fuel pump is running while cranking.
Firing order is correct.  
From the photo is the distributor index correctly?  I don't see how that could be a tooth off?
I gave up trying to measure the trigger input, and just pulled the plug on #1 and held it to the block.  I HAVE SPARK!
I smell fuel but it must not be enough.
NOW WHAT?
Fuel:  I guess I need to find a way to verify the Injectors are running while cranking.
Air:    The IAC stepper is off a throttle body I have never used before, so It could be faulty?  Can I remove it, will it just idle high or will it run away high?  Should I just give it partial throttle while cranking?
Spark:  We are good there.  
I told a buddy I had two more theories then I'm going to set it on fire. that was three theories ago... MAN this is frustrating  

 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:14 am
				by cruiser54
				It's not indexed correctly. The trailing edge of the rotor needs to be .020" past the #1 terminal on the cap. 
You also know that #1 is in the 5 o'clock position when viewed from the passenger side fender, right? I wish I knew how to post photos here.
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:32 am
				by beater_renix
				So it sounds like I'm a tooth off?  That's at least something tangible to go test!  I feel like I've completed the Cam breaking with the starter motor.  
Should it matter that I'm running Comp 68-232-4?  That won't change the TDC center line so no never mind just thinking out loud.  .020 thou past #1 (IE to the left of the #1 post).  Would that cause it to completely NOT fire?
Cruiser I'm gonna buy you a box of cigars.  I really appreciate your help.
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:49 am
				by cruiser54
				Cam doesn't matter.
Yes, after the terminal of the cap. 
Click on the link below and scroll through to see the correct firing order and placement of #1. Lots of photos, but unless I learn how to upload them here, it's the best I can do. 
http://www.cherokeeforum.com/g/album/1725214 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 13th, 2015, 6:51 am
				by beater_renix
				Cruiser I hope you don't mind me re-hosting this for comparison.  

 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 13th, 2015, 11:57 am
				by cruiser54
				Absolutely not. We're all in this together. Thanks!! Did you see the firing order one?
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 14th, 2015, 6:15 am
				by beater_renix
				 
This seem too far.  I shouldn't have to cut the ear should I?  If I go back the other way the rotor is centered on #1.  It way closer to "6 o'clock" than 5.  Thoughts?
 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 14th, 2015, 6:18 am
				by cruiser54
				Very common to have to cut the ear. 
So common in fact, that I just do it on every dizzy I have occasion to remove.
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 14th, 2015, 8:22 am
				by beater_renix
				 
So put it back on like this.. Replaced the new cap.  No change.  Gonna try a noid light on the injectors.  And a timing light from a buddy.  
SO FUSTRATED!!!
 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 14th, 2015, 1:20 pm
				by beater_renix
				Noid light verified the injectors are firing(or at least #1 is).  Can't get to a timing light today.  It seems to me that the problem HAS to be in the timing.
I guess I'll look at the distributor again.
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 14th, 2015, 3:04 pm
				by cruiser54
				Timing is controlled by the ECU based on inputs from CPS. Is the spark strong and blue at the plugs?
			 
			
					
				Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
				Posted: February 14th, 2015, 7:34 pm
				by beater_renix
				It's blue-ish white.  Seems pretty strong.  I'm at a total loss.  I've got fuel and spark! Seriously! What gives!