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Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 10th, 2015, 1:05 pm
by cruiser54
Click on this link and read Tips 12 and 13 if you're gonna mess with the dizzy.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz4d205 ... edit?pli=1
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 11th, 2015, 4:59 am
by beater_renix
Thanks Cruiser, I'll give that a go.
About the Ignition trigger: Would I be able to see that with a digital meter? It just looks like 5 Volts, 0 when set to AC.
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 11th, 2015, 5:01 am
by cruiser54
The proper digital meter will have an aC scale and it will show.
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:04 am
by beater_renix
I managed a couple of hours in the garage last night.
The Distributor button wasn't as clean and shiny as I thought it should be so I took emery cloth to that.
I verified the fuel pump is running while cranking.
Firing order is correct.
From the photo is the distributor index correctly? I don't see how that could be a tooth off?
I gave up trying to measure the trigger input, and just pulled the plug on #1 and held it to the block. I HAVE SPARK!
I smell fuel but it must not be enough.
NOW WHAT?
Fuel: I guess I need to find a way to verify the Injectors are running while cranking.
Air: The IAC stepper is off a throttle body I have never used before, so It could be faulty? Can I remove it, will it just idle high or will it run away high? Should I just give it partial throttle while cranking?
Spark: We are good there.
I told a buddy I had two more theories then I'm going to set it on fire. that was three theories ago... MAN this is frustrating

Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:14 am
by cruiser54
It's not indexed correctly. The trailing edge of the rotor needs to be .020" past the #1 terminal on the cap.
You also know that #1 is in the 5 o'clock position when viewed from the passenger side fender, right? I wish I knew how to post photos here.
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:32 am
by beater_renix
So it sounds like I'm a tooth off? That's at least something tangible to go test! I feel like I've completed the Cam breaking with the starter motor.
Should it matter that I'm running Comp 68-232-4? That won't change the TDC center line so no never mind just thinking out loud. .020 thou past #1 (IE to the left of the #1 post). Would that cause it to completely NOT fire?
Cruiser I'm gonna buy you a box of cigars. I really appreciate your help.
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 13th, 2015, 5:49 am
by cruiser54
Cam doesn't matter.
Yes, after the terminal of the cap.
Click on the link below and scroll through to see the correct firing order and placement of #1. Lots of photos, but unless I learn how to upload them here, it's the best I can do.
http://www.cherokeeforum.com/g/album/1725214
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 13th, 2015, 6:51 am
by beater_renix
Cruiser I hope you don't mind me re-hosting this for comparison.

Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 13th, 2015, 11:57 am
by cruiser54
Absolutely not. We're all in this together. Thanks!! Did you see the firing order one?
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 14th, 2015, 6:15 am
by beater_renix
This seem too far. I shouldn't have to cut the ear should I? If I go back the other way the rotor is centered on #1. It way closer to "6 o'clock" than 5. Thoughts?
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 14th, 2015, 6:18 am
by cruiser54
Very common to have to cut the ear.
So common in fact, that I just do it on every dizzy I have occasion to remove.
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 14th, 2015, 8:22 am
by beater_renix
So put it back on like this.. Replaced the new cap. No change. Gonna try a noid light on the injectors. And a timing light from a buddy.
SO FUSTRATED!!!
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 14th, 2015, 1:20 pm
by beater_renix
Noid light verified the injectors are firing(or at least #1 is). Can't get to a timing light today. It seems to me that the problem HAS to be in the timing.
I guess I'll look at the distributor again.
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 14th, 2015, 3:04 pm
by cruiser54
Timing is controlled by the ECU based on inputs from CPS. Is the spark strong and blue at the plugs?
Re: The BeaterRenix 4.6L Saga
Posted: February 14th, 2015, 7:34 pm
by beater_renix
It's blue-ish white. Seems pretty strong. I'm at a total loss. I've got fuel and spark! Seriously! What gives!