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FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by wjtom » April 14th, 2013, 5:04 pm

For all you guys with obd2 strokers do yourself a favor and call him!Probably the nicest guy you could want to deal with and actually cares about what he does.After just 5 tunes my jeep is immensely nicer to drive and hes just getting started.The throttle response and bottom end are a huge improvement plus getting some mileage back is just a bonus with 4.88s. I really cant say enough to explain the difference,when i finished my stroker i knew there was alot left on the table but the tuner 505 uses was a joke and i just lived with the stock tune until Ryan came on here.Probably the best money i have spent in terms of return and im sure there are alot of guys with mild bolt ons that would be amazed at the difference with a good tune.Ill keep you guys posted on the progress.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by jsawduste » April 14th, 2013, 7:43 pm

I am converting my OBD1 to OBD2.

Just waiting Ryan to look up the part numbers of the three ECM`s I sent him. That is I sent him 3 part numbers to see which ECM is the one to use.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by doublins » April 19th, 2013, 6:16 am

jsawduste wrote:I am converting my OBD1 to OBD2.

Just waiting Ryan to look up the part numbers of the three ECM`s I sent him. That is I sent him 3 part numbers to see which ECM is the one to use.

I was using Ryan before my motor wiped the cam (no relation to him, lol)- and I have to say that I was very happy with the job Ryan did on my tune- he is very nice to deal with and very responsive to questions- he was actually proactive about things- emailing me every so often to check in and have me pull a log for him so that he could see how the thing was running. Overall I was very happy with the job he did and would recommend him to anyone here.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by wjtom » April 30th, 2013, 8:55 pm

Well just an update.Drivability is way better than any stock jeep i have ever driven.thats taking into account this is a 10.3 to1 compression 4.7 with a pretty big cam and yes i ccd everything so the compression is right.Works great on premium and the mileage even with 4.88s is about what i got with a stock setup.Still have a few tweaks left but i cant say enough about ryan and the way he goes about the tuning.One thing i can say is if you plan on doing this and really want it right spend the money and buy the lm2 for tuning.Yes you can do it without it but it makes it so much easier to get it right.Before ryan i was pretty dissapointed in what i got out of this and on the last wot run i got rubber at 50mph on the 3-4 upshift! :D

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by doublins » May 23rd, 2013, 3:37 am

I just want to go ahead and ONCE AGAIN throw my full endorsement towards Ryan Hogan- after the death of my stroker, I did a V8 Magnum swap in the jeep, and Ryan was there to provide guidance and tuning support during and after the completion of the swap. In just a couple of iterations, he's dramatically improved upon the stock V8 tuning and made seriously noticeable gains. The thing just screams now. The motor has zero power-adders except for shorty headers and my homemade exhaust- but the difference in drivability, smoothness, and torque output from having him tune it is night and day, really. This is basically a bone-stock 318 being run by a Ram PCM... I'm really impressed.

If you're looking for tuning, email him at flyinryanporting@gmail.com- he has given me nothing but top-notch support and customer service over a span of about 7 months- I feel that he fully deserves some more positive press and word of mouth endorsement.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by Jim K in PA » July 10th, 2013, 2:23 pm

I will add my endorsement of Ryan's customer service, honesty, and knowledge. I have not even had him do any work yet, either!

I do want to add that apparently my optimism at tuning the '05/'06 ECMs was unfounded. I just spent a good amount of time on the phone with Ryan.
He is not able to tune these ECMs as there is insufficient/incomplete data on them and there are numerous changes to the ECMs in the last couple of years of 4.0 production.

Now I am left wondering if rebuilding my engine as a stroker is a good idea or not. Makes little sense to build an engine with no real means of making it run right. :brickwall:

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by SilverXJ » July 10th, 2013, 2:29 pm

There are still piggy back options.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by Jim K in PA » July 11th, 2013, 3:09 am

SilverXJ wrote:There are still piggy back options.
I will search for those options. I am also thinking about just doing the rebuild with the stroker crank and a very mild cam (maybe even just a stock cam) and just leaving the ECM alone. I'm getting too old to swim upstream just for the hell of it . . . :(

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by SilverXJ » July 11th, 2013, 6:19 am

Jim K in PA wrote: I'm getting too old to swim upstream just for the hell of it . . . :(
LOL.. Its not like a stroker hasn't been installed in a vehicle with fuel injection before with an untunable PCM. And tuning these PCMs is only a few years old. There is nothing wrong with a piggy back and a wideband for tunning.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by Jim K in PA » July 11th, 2013, 2:29 pm

SilverXJ wrote:LOL.. Its not like a stroker hasn't been installed in a vehicle with fuel injection before with an untunable PCM. And tuning these PCMs is only a few years old. There is nothing wrong with a piggy back and a wideband for tunning.
<chuckle> - I was feeling a bit grumpy last night I guess. :D

That notwithstanding, just because it has been done before does not mean it was a good idea! ;)

I did some looking but did not hit much gold here on the forum for "piggyback OBD2". Any suggestions?

WB O2 (with logging) is necessary for sure (done some of this before with turbo 2.3 Fords). If the stock ECM can keep it at stoich in closed loop, then I don't NEED to tweak it. Where it would need playing with is in open loop, which is what I suppose the piggyback controller would be useful for.

Building a stroker the way I intend, and using it the way I intend, it will spend 75% of its life in closed loop. But, those times that I am running at more than 80% throttle opening, I want to make sure it is making the power it should.

I was really hoping to get the ECM hacked to eliminate the pre-cats. I hate those chokebottles.

Maybe I'll just swap in the IH 345 I have sitting in the garage . . . :huh: :twisted:

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by SilverXJ » July 11th, 2013, 4:21 pm

Jim K in PA wrote:I did some looking but did not hit much gold here on the forum for "piggyback OBD2". Any suggestions?
There are a few but I like the AEM FIC/6(Neon version) or FIC/8 because you are directly changing the injector open time. It doesn't modify the MAP sensor like some. It also allows you to reduce timing, if you want you can modify the MAP sensor output, as well as a nice data logging setup (FIC6 doesn't have enough memory to do any useful logging unless you have the PC hooked up). It can take an output from a wideband and include it in its data logging. It has a 12v output that you can setup to come on at a specific event. You can also switch between two different programs with a switch if you want.
If the stock ECM can keep it at stoich in closed loop, then I don't NEED to tweak it. Where it would need playing with is in open loop, which is what I suppose the piggyback controller would be useful for.
The PCM usually has enough leeway to keep it in at stoich in closed loop with the correct sized injectors. With the FIC you can use it to 0 your fuel trims in closed loop.

However, there are things that it can not over come, for instance I had a rough cold start issue for like a minute. While not the end of the world it couldn't be tuned out via the FIC and PCM programing resolved it. However, that is also mased largely on the cam you choose. If you go with something like the Comp 68-231-4 that issue won't be there.
But, those times that I am running at more than 80% throttle opening, I want to make sure it is making the power it should.
as well as running safetly. The stock injectors (at least on my 2000) were fine in closed loop... however when it went into open loop the PCM didn't correct it. The whole story is that I had a Apexi SAFC II (MAP adjuster style piggy back) I had a good tune on it that would keep the correct AFR under WOT by adding fuel with stock injectors. Well, I let it sit, battery went dead and it lost its memory even though it wasn't suppose to. Drop a fresh battery in and drove it up north. Went WOT for a while pulling a mountain. I didn't notice it at the time, but it was very lean at WOT and tuliped the exhaust valves.
I was really hoping to get the ECM hacked to eliminate the pre-cats. I hate those chokebottles.
I understand that. Back when no body was tuning these PCMs I went with Casper's O2 sims to eliminate those precats. Unfortunately, thanks to the EPA they no longer make them. However, there are other O2 sims available, but can be hit or miss.

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by Jim K in PA » July 11th, 2013, 5:54 pm

Thanks Chris. This gives me more hope. ;)

I planned to go with the 68-231-4 (or equivalent). I will probably need to switch to the beehive springs and machine for the correct installed height and added lift. Pistons will be IC944s. Head will be stock, with perhaps some cleanup in the ports and matching at the gasket interface. Nothing radical.

I will dig deeper into the AEM FIC/8.

I also will look into building my own O2 sims . . .

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by Jim K in PA » July 12th, 2013, 10:27 am

I also completely forgot about another tuner that does know how to access and modify the later NGC units. I won't name him here as this is a FlyinRyan thread. :oops:

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by wjtom » January 17th, 2014, 6:49 pm

Just thought id revisit this because i really cant thank ryan enough for the help with this project and sticking it out till the end.Not his fault for the long process but having my jeep get totalled slowed this down as did a few problems we figured out along the way.If you think you found all the power,mileage and drivability in your obd2 stroker you may want to rethink that especially if its an automatic.Yes he has some tweaks ;) that really make a difference.Its in there you just have to get it out!So get in touch with him if you want to know more. :D

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Re: FLYIN RYAN TUNING

Post by superstingray77 » March 3rd, 2014, 2:04 pm

Ryan nailed mine down 1.5 years back when I was one few running a very wild solid lifter cam with a stock WJ PCM. Aside from bench racing etc he gets the driveability nailed down awesomely. Cold starts, cold idle, ac on or off etc. Even with my piss poor fit on the piston to wall clearances we were averaging over 22mpg on the freeway with 3.73/s and 33's MT-R tires. We were making over 330hp at the crank by 6600 RPM. Engine is going back in soon hopefully with new pistons and proper clearances this time then the turbo gets installed :)

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